We were in Charleston, West Virginia, working out of the Gas Building, and he was hired as a local hire. and I was a site inspector back then and my supervisor asked me to train Virgil. And from the very first time I met him, he's just, regular guy all these colloquialisms, he really helped us a lot in West Virginia because he knew all about the people that lived in the hollers. He knew about all the people in Southern West Virginia. He was kind of one of them, and he really helped us with our operational methodologies, I mean, especially, he had all that ground truth knowledge. You know, working in the coal mines, and, you know he was a West Virginia guy and he really, he, Virgil was very genuine. He's probably one of the most genuine guys I ever met, especially with his quirky sayings and stuff like that, and, you know, we spent a lot of time together, we used to talk about, you know, we both had kids and we talked about the military and, I remember there was some funny stories, when a goat bit me out there. He thought that was the craziest, funniest thing he had ever heard. And I remember he said, "Gosh, he must have liked you." He was quite a character. Real genuine like I said. You know, it's kind of funny. He was in Mississippi before we came to North Dakota, and I was in Alabama and as soon as he got released I made sure that I brought him here because he was one of the best inspectors around and he just had a way with people. He can make people relax. And I remember one time when we were out in the field here I happened to see him out there and we were talking and, you know, I guess both of us being around the same age, I'm 59. He just had said to me just off the wall, he said, "You know Guy, I've been thinking about my own mortality." It's just kind of funny that all this happened. And I said, "You know Virg, me too." He said , "You know my grandfather told me one time. Life's like a summer vacation. You blink you're eyes and it's over," and I'm kind of left with that. But he was a great guy So, you know, When it did happen, I mean that just crushed us. When he did die, and I just thought it only fitting to name the group site after him. I wish I could do more, but, at least his name is out there because he did mean a lot to all of us in the FEMA family.